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| Topic Started: May 31 2009, 10:00 PM (910 Views) | |
| biggamehit | Jul 19 2009, 09:53 PM Post #76 |
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...................it's not about the amount of TQ its when the TQ kicks in. yes its only .4 liters but the engines are not the same internally. I basically got no respect from the SR crowd because I built my setup....... its lame but it is what it is.... I say again... if you don't have hands on experience with both.... you have no room to say which is better. Do what you can afford and have the know how to do. any engine/car will blow/have issues if you really race it with time. |
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| BlackZenki82 | Jul 19 2009, 11:01 PM Post #77 |
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i will kill you
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i helped build a KAT on my buddys car, and i basically hand built my SR... so i think i have the exp to voice my $.02 if i could do it all again, and have the same budget, i would go SR all over again.. i love em... smooth, powerful, fun, great exhaust tone, and relativly easy to work on..... unless you need to get uoder the intake plenum, then it's a b!tch, just like a KA..... i would deff build a KAT sometime... it's not something i WOULDN'T do.. just not right now, i'm enjoying my SR too much |
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| Nick Merrone | Jul 19 2009, 11:22 PM Post #78 |
eat me.
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Dont get me wrong, Id LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE an SR. i'd hope to get one one day, because they handle boost so well cause their made for it. haha. |
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| biggamehit | Jul 20 2009, 08:12 PM Post #79 |
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| Nick Merrone | Jul 21 2009, 04:02 PM Post #80 |
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eat me.
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thats it man? |
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| diggles240 | Jul 21 2009, 08:44 PM Post #81 |
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Old Fart!
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Yes. |
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| mikemontanti | Nov 2 2009, 09:04 PM Post #82 |
carfanatic driftaholic
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i have not drove sr but i have rode in sr plenty of times. i like the way ka-t feels compared to sr but rb is the tits. i have a ka-et and its stock everything but maf and exhaust and i swear its more power full than sr. the only thing that i need to do at this point is fuel pump cause it keeps shittin on me. i like the fact that sr is lighter but i would take rb over all then ka then sr. |
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| brunswick240 | Feb 12 2010, 02:40 PM Post #83 |
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Well obviously the RB is favored more than either KA or SR...if anyone argues that please save me the time and just go to a rehab center. As far as the argument goes, I've turbo'd my own KA, helped a friend finish his, and bought an s14 sr20 240. So I've got experience on both the driving aspects and the maintenance/mechanical aspect. You can turbo a KA now with a t25 and supporting for a couple hundred bucks. Ya you'll need to pick up a tune somewhere or get it tuned but that's the price you pay to play. If anyone can show me where you can get everything you need to swap in an SR into a 240 for "a couple hundred bucks" please do. Sure you can buy a block and refresh it, but what about the other stuff? A short block isn't turn key, and IMO requires much more experience than turboing a KA. Are you going to get more power with either? Ya obviously, but there are too many variables in that question. Here is the real question for anyone that's on the fence of the two motors should ask themselves. How much money do I have JUST solely for my motor. Depending on the answer should sway you towards either side. If you have more money IMO you could do either (build a KA + turbo or swap an SR), if you don't have that much money then maayyyyybbbeeeeeee turboing the KA would be the better choice... Here lets price it out for everyone here in the fam AMS KA24DE Basic Rebuild Kit: $1007.00 + shipping and + 27.00 if you have an s13 Now add on 500-800 in turbo parts (t25, ebay fmic, ebay manifold, ebay downpipe, ebay turbo elbow, ebay piping, bov, ebay exhaust, gauges, sr injectors (should never pay anything more than 70 bucks for these injs now), a tune and any other misc things you might run up to autozone for) http://turbo240.com/ Price of an S13 SR20 Redtop: $1650.00 + Shipping & Handling Now add 200-300 for shipping/handling, then add in another couple hundo for still the exhaust, fmic, bov, gauges etc etc. There are vitals that you will need no matter what motor you chose, but you will need to drop 1650 + shipping/handling + the time for pulling a KA + time of fitting an SR20 + time for REWIRING (or you can pay extra for that) http://zeroliftautolab.com/ So just rough figures here lets say you drop 2500 on an SR swap that is now turn key with all similar components to a KA (same turbo, both with front mounts, same exhausts, both at 10psi etc) and you spend roughly 2000 on now what you have a NEWLY built KA + the same turbo parts as an SR.... ... .. ..... .. ....... .... ... Take a couple mins and thing about that last paragraph. This is where it switches from fact to opinion. IMO I personally see more logic in spending ~2000 dollars on a built KA with the same turbo components than ~2500 on an SR that I DONT know the condition of the insides. Granted if youre a dumbass you could fuck up a lotta shit building a KA, but if youre that much of a dumbass I hope you have an extra 300 bucks to have someone do your wiring on your SR. Now not only do you have a REFRESHED KA that is ready to go, but its also FORGED just like the old s13 redtop SR that you could buy. So now not only are you FASTER than an SR with the exact same setup, you can now upgrade your turbo, add some cams, get an ecu tune and RAPE that SR that someone backyard swapped and gets it to run like a DSM  Thats my argument, I've had both, worked on both, drove both. Take it or leave it.
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| 240guy | Mar 9 2010, 12:51 PM Post #84 |
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Edited by 240guy, Mar 9 2010, 12:52 PM.
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| Deleted User | Mar 9 2010, 07:25 PM Post #85 |
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driven an SR, driven an RB20 (rode in a 25), driven a KA minus T. seen enough KA-Ts run though to know what they are good for. so heres my arguement KA-T has balls in the low rpm range, you cannot beat the torque that it makes, period. plus they sound nasty too. but what the KA makes for torque, even turboed they lack up top (unless you throw lots of money at it to build the head) but KA-Ts make great DD's if done right. i personally love the powerband of an SR, they roll onto power very smoothly and they can hold power pretty well. only problems ive ever seen come out of the average SR is they like to overheat when beating on them. i have to personal friends who have this problem, but only while drifting. now take into consideration the SR i drove had HKS step 1 cams and was pushing 16psi with your normal bolt ons (full turbo back exhaust all 3", huge FMIC, koyo rad) that mother fucker would roll the hell out and had no problems turning over 2nd gear on 295/35/19 (60lb wheels too btw, with a nismo 1.5way lsd). at 21psi (yes 21psi on stock fuel with no cutting or anythign) that car was unstoppable. it was a monster of an SR. all in all though, when it came down to it, that car was a bitch, couldnt find parts for it, it was constantly a hassle of trying to make shit work that wasnt supposed to. but for what it was, it was worth it. now as far as the RB side goes, i dont need to explain. plus this isnt an RB discussion. my personal preference (minus RB) would be SR. but if i was budget building i would do a KA-T |
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| Sean | Apr 5 2010, 11:07 PM Post #86 |
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The constant debate of engines hahaha people that have less money or are all about ka-t try to make everybody go ka-t too because "it's got more torque bro" unless you spend the same amount of money it's not going to be the most reliable but that goes for all engines, get a good one and treat it well and have the right setup and your motor will last. Boosting stock ka 10lbs and tuning with an safc or mail order tune is dumb tho and for everybody that says ka-ts are better because of more torque 1. Enter faster and you won't need it 2. Don't lift like a vagface 3. Built right sr's make great torque (ie. My old setup had about 290hp and ~295 tq) rb's are great motors and sound awesome but I don't like the extra weight of them in the front, it's deffinintly noticable and the car handles completely different somebuddy should step their game up and do an fj20 swap and shit on errybody |
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| ~J@NKY$13 | Apr 6 2010, 11:06 AM Post #87 |
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i don't think I'm wrong on this Dan but Ivan doesn't hold that record anymore. It's now going to DPS in Philly w/ their S13. making a measly 1000 horse and running 7.74  |
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| ~J@NKY$13 | Apr 6 2010, 11:09 AM Post #88 |
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but honestly the whole motor choice is nothing more than whose penis is bigger and who likes what. every motor has its pros and cons, its just a matter of which you are willing to deal with. |
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| Sean | Apr 6 2010, 04:44 PM Post #89 |
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Yea every motor has been made crazy and holds record it's just what your usin it for an your budget rb's ka's are all made to runs 7s at some shops and I think mazworx is pushin something like 1500hp out of their sr but I don't really see the point in going fast in a straight line |
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| ~J@NKY$13 | Apr 7 2010, 02:16 AM Post #90 |
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cause drag racing is like premature ejaculation yo... damn, i thought everyone knew that... jeese. lol |
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